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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:49:00 -
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Eve being a sandbox it has so many undiscovered gameplay that might easily be a kind of carrot on a stick for any new or young capsuleer and its corporation.
I am asking for you all to share what you think could be viable as a way to welcome new players to this brilliant game called EvE.
I will offer one myself:
Become a underground independent movement like in the real world wars.
While you see these huge alliances battle it out in null-sec you could choose to try and tilt the advantages to one side or the other.
For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance.
This is cool for any new or young player and or corporations, since you get to nibble on the bigger picture.
You do have to do some homework though.
But you will learn planning ops, run covert ops, run bombing ops, learn how to travel through other sec space.
What are your ideas? |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:10:00 -
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Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, surely you can come up with something to welcome new and young players or entice new and young players to start playing EvE. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished?
Read initial post.
If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work.
Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE) |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:25:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do.
I am not saying I am intelligent. I am however figuring "stuff" out to do for myself.
Now let us all give gameplay hints on stuff for new or young players or corps to sink their teeth into.
You do not need 130+ Million SP to arrange a covert bombing run on miners in null-sec which happen to be from a alliance that is already at war.
It takes about 7 million SP.
And you can have a real thrill and learn sooooo much.
Now, I am sure there are players who have ideas to, lets have them! |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:28:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:For example, if you would like Goonswarm to loose, you sabotage there income in some manner for instance. How exactly do you think this would be accomplished? Read initial post. If anyone would tell how exactly, it would not work. Common people, stop trolling, have a brain, you will see it is for the greater good (new players wanting to start a "career" in EvE....and hey.....maybe venture out into other sec space other than highsec........this is nul-sec greatest problem......maybe being tackeled) Or do you not like these smaller corps snooping around your null-sec and maybe target something back without the need to wardec or a chance on security loss? It was a rhetorical question. My point was that this is an unrealistic goal for new players. They can't already do whatever without being scamed/can flipped/ganked, now tell them they will be space rich going in low/null do serious stuff 
No, lets tell them you can have interesting gameplay even if you are , say below 10M SP.
EvE is not just about getting rich.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:44:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Ow common, EvE has many intelligent people, You aren't one of them. Figure out your own stuff to do. I am not saying I am intelligent. I am however figuring "stuff" out to do for myself. Now let us all give gameplay hints on stuff for new or young players or corps to sink their teeth into. You do not need 130+ Million SP to arrange a covert bombing run on miners in null-sec which happen to be from a alliance that is already at war. It takes about 7 million SP. And you can have a real thrill and learn sooooo much. Now, I am sure there are players who have ideas to, lets have them! Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:No, lets tell them you can have interesting gameplay even if you are , say below 10M SP.
EvE is not just about getting rich.
Google.com It really works. There's also thousands of threads that will give you idea's on these forums & in the old archived forums. You could also... Just try stuff?
I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible.
The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at.
In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:59:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the goal for this thread.
You see, it is not about me, I know plenty stuff to do and do them.
I think if there is one thing seriously lacking than it would be the visibility of valid game play.
Lets make it visible.
The option I offered is completely valid.
And if destruction is to big a thing, people will probably also realize that they can obstruct mineral income just by being at the location in a cloak
Most mining ops will dock up, an occasional bomb will amplify any fear when needed.
Common lets give these people something to look at.
In which I would have to agree, google does do wonders when planning your operations as a new entity.
If any new players are getting interested, Just mail Tiger Would. Maybe I can help some of you new guys along a bit! The solution I offered is completely valid. If people are too lazy to do a couple of quick searches to find the plethora of information available then odds are that they're too lazy to try any of that stuff anyway. It's not like this information is hidden from public view.
But answer me this:
If you do not know the entire scope of EvE yet.....and lets be honest, who did when they subscribed?
If I look at me personally, sure I read the guides back than, figured out the mechanics.....but thats just such a small part.
I dare to say, many do not have a clue what so ever in regards to depth, politics and propaganda....
I think it is this that make to many people think that EvE should be played as it is played now. Hereby obstructing the visibility of the fact that anything goes, it is a sandbox.
And why is it exactly that EvE has trouble keeping subscribers.....I mean, controlling your spaceship, fitting it out, those are not hard parts.
I say it is this:
You see this advertisement of emergent gameplay. one day you join.
You think....I am going to be a big industrialist. (for example)
Than it does not look like that gameplay at all. It looks like there is no room for you. It looks like you can only join larger entities but never become one. Which in a large part is fueled by propaganda and trolling (like in this thread)
You do not get the feeling you can actually become anything you want.
I dare to say that hurts the number new subscribers actually having a stab at it.
I am not saying, make it easy.
I say, lets make it visible.
Now instead of responding saying nay again, do you have anything to add in this regard?
If not, it would be better not to post, since it would be topic. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:13:00 -
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Shall we get on topic?
reasonable question posted, either post a idea, or just leave it for what it is.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:17:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves.
Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps.
I do believe people can think for them selves.
Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework.
What goes for you must go for everyone else.
It does not work like that!
(EDIT: ISD, could you please remove all the non related posts?) |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:19:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Shall we get on topic?
reasonable question posted, either post a idea, or just leave it for what it is.
Reasonable answer: Search engine of choice, research the extremely limited limitations of the game & use brain. Oh wait I forgot, that requires :effort:
Why you keep saying you can google for new valid emergent gameplay.
Which part does not compute about the fact I am talking about gameplay that is not in existence yet?
It is not reasonable at all to push what you think onto others and thinking you nailed the only truth. |
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:31:00 -
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I disagree. How is playing EVE 'as it's played now' a bad thing? I would argue that 'as it's played now' is just about as sandbox as you're going to get. How would you improve it?
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Not saying that. I am only stating that a sandbox is not bound to current game play, it would not be a sandbox if it was now would it.
So there is no question about improving, just making the sandbox visible
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What? Subscription numbers are steady or rising consistently ever since launch.
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It is increasingly slowing down. EvE could have had many many many more by now, I am certain.
The rest of your post is based of the fact the sandbox already has all gameplays that are valid, ergo, it is not a sandbox. Therefor invalid. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tiger Would wrote:Ah youh saying you can jus a google for new emerging valid gameplay within EvE.....
Howy cow......I have somah goggling to do I'm sorry. I have an awful tendancy to put too much faith in the general Human population. I was for a moment, under the impression that people could think for themselves. Thats why I am only making new, valid, emergent gameplay visible without filling in the gaps. I do believe people can think for them selves. Your only awful tendency is you do not seem to be able to look outside your own framework. What goes for you must go for everyone else. It does not work like that! Please tell me all about how coming up with your own game play idea's is so hard that you have to create a thread asking people to post already visible idea's. Been to C&P lately? There's some pretty cool stuff in there that clearly must not be visible to anyone.
I would only need to explain there is something wrong with your reading comprehension.
C&P and cool stuff in one sentence.......if there is any trollfest its C&P.
And as you can see, I mean, You are here right, I have no trouble at all creating my own gameplay.
Are you just going to keep repeating arguments that where already rendered invalid, or do you actually have anything to add? |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:56:00 -
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Tiger Would wrote:Jaq....he chooses to repeat you can find something with google that does not exist.
He wishes to uphold that google is a great replacement for using your brain.
Also he want to make it absolutely clear, he did not understand what your initial post is about.
He maintains there is no reason to have a EvE university for example or a tutorial if you follow the "logic" he is applying.
He is in a way saying he has patented the only truth that exists in a sandbox.
.....shhh....dont laugh.....ya I know.....barely able to keep a straight face myself.
Why?
It is probably important to him.
Anyways, New players or corp entities, just mail me if you like to look into this further and need some pointers.
We are more than happy to get you on your way.
Its worse,
He is lecturing about brains and coming up with ideas while he was not able to create avatar name without copying it from someone else. Maybe he now thinks that everyone will think he is the Mike Azariah from the blog "A Missioneer in EvE".
*shrug* |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:57:00 -
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Oops double post.........I guess its the doppelganger influence of mallak azaria |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:16:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
Obviously not you since you're saying that on the forums.
that that that.....that that that that that that,....
that that that that that that that? |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:21:00 -
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As you all can see above dear new players.
There are some people who would just say anything to protect what they have.
Thats EvE also.
They are basically saying:
Eve does not need tutorial.
EvE university....phhhh.....nonsens, people have brains.
These are the type of fathers that will answer to their 4 year old......"go google it".....when they ask why boys have wieners......
This is why we offer a tutorial which takes you through some of the other aspects of EvE gameplay.
So just ignore, please keep mailing!
To those who already mailed us, it can take a bit to answer all these mails, but we we will answer all of them.
We even start thinking of having small classes since it might be more efficient. |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:miners in null-sec These still exist?
Most certainly  |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:45:00 -
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So, anyone actually like to contribute? |
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:53:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Good post, thank you
That is really interesting.
Although my initial post was aimed at a somewhat broader scope (upto 10M SP)
Where at 10 M SP you actually can start looking into ops which make you take part in the broader picture of EvE.
Since at some point you might want to aim at other sec space.
With the current image being upheld, many are reluctant to try.
So, in a way, this thread is also about breaking that image.
It is not so much about taking on goonswarm, it is actually having the thrill of influencing outcome, however small, the war progressions these kind of large alliances have.
But yes, thanks for good advice before doing so.
Having a option for brand new players, provided by you, is awesome to have in this thread.
I hope it will inspire new pilots to figure out how to make use of wormholes.
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:28:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Still it think a player can carve out a niche leading small groups. Bounty hunting for example can make you famous quite quickly if your successful in taking down some of Eves biggest and baddest. Aquisition of wealth can also result in you having considerable influence on markets and the economy, I know players that have trillions in their wallet and can quickly overwhelm market prices and manipulate the living crap out of Jita on a whim.
That is a great addition, thank you.
I have quoted the part that I think has the most relevance in regard to this thread.
I am going to change the initial post a little bit to reflect what you said, partially.
At least ask the question differently. |
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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:42:00 -
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like said |
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